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show welcome to a very special episode

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of somewhere in the skies

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I'm your on-site correspondent Earl Grey

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Anderson and I'm coming to you live from

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the 2019 a MUFON symposium this is

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[Applause]

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welcome to somewhere in the skies and

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you heard that right

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this is a very special episode of the

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show I wasn't able to make it to Los

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Angeles for the 50th anniversary MUFON

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symposium but I was very fortunate to

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have longtime listener Earl Grey

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Anderson be our on-site someone the

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skies correspondent Earl is not only a

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chief move on field investigator but

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also the assistant state director for

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Southern California and a member of new

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phones experiencer research team I asked

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Earl to grab a couple interviews while

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he wasn't busy being interviewed himself

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and he more than pulled through on this

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episode you'll hear from many of the

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speakers at the event including Paul

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Heyman Greg Bishop dr. Irena Scott dr.

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Michael masters dr. Lynn khatai dr.

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George medic Kathleen Martin paul davids

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Denise stoner and Tom Whitmore

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that is a long list but I cannot wait

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for you to hear from all of these people

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it was an absolutely fascinating and it

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never would have happened without Earl's

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dedication to get in the info out about

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UFOs to the public we're gonna have Earl

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on in the very near future to talk all

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about some of the incredible cases he's

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investigated with move on both in the

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past and a few he's currently working on

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but in the meantime sit back and enjoy

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your front row seat to the 50th

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anniversary infante symposium

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this is this is Earl Grey Anderson I'm

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talking to Greg Bishop here whose applet

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he's not speaking at the symposium he's

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just kind of hating out but I love radio

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mysterioso and have loved his writing

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and anyway how are you doing there Greg

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I'm doing good we're not actually at the

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MUFON meeting we're at a nice place

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right near it exactly lunch

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god I read Irena Scott's here with us

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there she is again

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haha so what are you what are you

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working on right now I'm trying to write

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a book on my co-creation stuff about how

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how much the witness contributes to a

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strange experience could you kind of go

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into that a little bit I'm interested my

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idea is that when somebody sees

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something where but most people that

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you know what did it look like how big

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was it where did it come you know what

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direction did it go all these things and

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my ideas we kind of and we kind of have

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to understand how people perceive

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remember tell stories about all these

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things stuff about our physiology and

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our psychology before we can say that

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they're giving us an accurate

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representation of what they saw and the

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you know it might be a case of we can

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never get an accurate representation in

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a way that you would figure a scientist

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recording of something the recording

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device is the human mind and physiology

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and if we don't we don't know how that

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works or don't consider it then we're

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I don't about faulty data but we're

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dealing with with data that cannot be

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categorized the way that we'd want it to

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be hmm so you don't think that the human

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it's not at all we've had that for sure

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witnesses and trials I mean yeah that's

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why you know witness testimony is it's

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not airtight it never is you have

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different witnesses seeing different

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things and that's just from from mundane

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yeah and start talking about something

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that people have no reference for then

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less exact and we have to deal with that

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and that people think that you know

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we're gonna talk to this witness and

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find this out and put this in the

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database it's like well one you know

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you're forced thing amended speaking in

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a way that you want to hear it and out

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the way that they want to describe it

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and two you've already predetermined

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what's gonna go in that database I mean

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you can't take a database from a pro

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MUFON Koufos and that what not to

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mention you know some other countries

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that it'd be even more insane and put

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these databases together because they're

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all different they're all talking about

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different or they're referring to the

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same thing maybe in different ways and

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so all this has to be taken into account

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you can't just say look here we have a

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database and this is what it means

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no it's everything's going through our

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filters and sort of like the monks

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describing a Nell the blind must try to

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exactly there may be mistaking a part of

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something greater

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for the whole yeah and there's there's

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so many assumptions made you know so I

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just I want to try to at least for

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myself do away with with assumptions and

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then write about it and see what other

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people think do you have a title for the

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book yeah I don't know I guess it's just

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called the co-creation I bother so I

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shouldn't even be talking about it cuz

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it makes me less likely to do it well

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it's got a due date so i okay there you

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I hope I make the due date but I doubt I

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will be anyway that's what I'm working

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on and fantastic you're gonna be

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starting up radio Mysterio's so again

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your shows who you were saying or early

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on yeah I've got a bunch of people lined

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up I just said they would do it so I

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would you know I just have to follow

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through on it it's found an artist in

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New Zealand who's fascinating to me and

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we want to try to get him on the show he

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does paintings of people of witnesses

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but they don't look like what the

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witnesses looked like he has a drawing

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of Paul bennewitz it doesn't look like

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Paul bennewitz in the least but it looks

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like somebody who would would have been

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through what all bennewitz went through

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Wow so that to me is that you know to me

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that actually works in two areas of

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witness testimony and all that because

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he's interpreting something that we

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already kind of know but he's putting it

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through his lens but we know you know we

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can see what you know he gives it a

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title you know yeah I can see that

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there's a painting of what is it there's

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a painting of Ingo Swann remote viewing

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the far side of the moon it doesn't look

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anything like Ingo Swann but it looks

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like somebody whose remote viewing the

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smart side of the mall I want to see

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that yeah I love her Ingo Swann yeah I

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had the penetration what a wonderful

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yeah amazing but we were talking earlier

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you you you've recently met Jacques

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Vallee we're talking with them over

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contact of the desert what do you guys

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talk about I saw him after the the film

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witness of another world and

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I just I asked him you know I asked him

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about the film basically it's a film

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about a guy a witness in Argentina that

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had a sighting a close encounter when he

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was 12 years old and it basically messed

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up his life is he became estranged from

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his family the people in his town

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wouldn't talk to him anymore the

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filmmaker meets him he's looting living

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out in the middle of nowhere in

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Argentina by himself because having

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nightmares every night about what

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happened to him the filmmaker came out

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talked to him and the upshot was he

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reintegrated with us he got back

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together with family reintegrated with

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the people in his in his town there and

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actually kind of fixed his life and you

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know the the what Valais said was he

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said this stuff with disclosure and the

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government and getting things out of the

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government that's not the phenomenon he

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says this is the phenomenon what

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happened to this guy and how he

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reiterated himself and how he was able

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to come to terms of what happened to him

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that's what we should be worried about

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not you know who's releasing what file

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or whatever and I tend to agree with it

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that's fascinating I love that well

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thank you so much for talking with us

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Greg and I'm looking forward to your new

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book and it's just a pleasure getting to

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hang out with nature and having lunch

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yeah we had we had hamburgers over at

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the well a local hamburger joint here

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but of course doctor Irena got cheap she

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sat there a drink of big old vanilla

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milkshakes I think it was the the $5

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milkshake from pulp fiction you know

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that's the normal price for a milkshake

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apparently now I think so don't even

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seems cheap for lausanne

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I'm interviewing Irina's Scott dr. Irina

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Scott who is one of the keynote speakers

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hello there Irina

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well hello how are you doing pretty good

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doing pretty well how have you enjoyed

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the symposium so far you kept busy and

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I've been very busy and it's been very

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interesting I met all kinds of people

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you see you're selling your new book

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sacred corridors aren't yes I am

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wonderful wonderful book tell us a

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little bit about what you'll be talking

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about tomorrow when you give your

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keynote speech what I'll be talking

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about is a UFO sighting that my sister

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and I had in Boston Massachusetts it was

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a long complex site hmm could you tell

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us maybe just the the condensed version

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yes I was ready to condense it quite a

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bit we were on we were both living on

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the east side of the country and we

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decide to go on vacation and see the

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eastern states and the

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the New England states and so I was

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working in Washington DC in the DIA and

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she was taking postgraduate work in Drew

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University in Madison New Jersey which

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is close to New York and I took some

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coworkers and drove up and picked her up

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and we were going to stay in Boston that

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night but it wasn't dark when we got

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there and so we drove went up to 10th

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New Hampshire and go back and then we

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were leaving Boston because we couldn't

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find a motel and so we were driving west

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and we could there was this Airport

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south of us and we could see airplanes

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come out and they were coming to the

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east and landing going west and landing

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we could see their regular air print

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airplane lights like there's strobe

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lights and their red and green lights

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blinking lights on their wings and

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everything and there was one other light

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it wasn't anything like an airplane it

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was it was just a white blinking light

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nothing like a strobe light and my

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sister kept saying this is odd maybe

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it's a UFO and I kept saying you're

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crazy they kept saying you know it's a

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helicopter you're blinking its landing

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lights off and on it wasn't anything I'd

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ever seen before and I've never seen a

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helicopter doing that but I was you know

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in science and I was being a skeptic and

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so you know I told her that's what it

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was and so we were arguing and we both

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confessed to each other that we'd seen

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UFOs which isn't something you can fit

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talk about back in those days what year

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was this was 1968 and so we were arguing

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and I was driving south and I saw this

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sphere

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along the road in the woods and it was

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transparent you could see through it and

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it had a light on the inside and the

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light was going to a spectrum of like Oh

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seeds of blue and all shades of red and

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all shades of blue again and it had a

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sort of dark band that was rotating

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around it and I had no idea what it was

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it was why we were seeing this other

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thing and then the inside leaked our car

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turned green was it like a green light

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that flooded your car or it's just like

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the inside of the car was green it

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wasn't I looked all over and I couldn't

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see it coming from any place and I

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looked at the sphere and it wasn't

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coming from that I couldn't see green I

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couldn't see in green anyplace so no

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source of look yeah I couldn't find any

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source at all Wow

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and you know you look around and you

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think what has to have a source and you

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think maybe it's a laser but they didn't

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have lasers back in those days you know

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that people are using and so then it

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stopped and we continued arguing and

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then she started screaming at me and

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said to stop because it was gonna cross

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over the road and I wasn't watching it

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that close and so anyway

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I pulled over because she was a

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screeching turn and stop stop stop

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and so I pointed my hand out the window

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and I was gonna say dingbat

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that's a helicopter ha ha and way off I

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saw meteor and then just immediately the

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sinking over the road and it had seven

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windows that were just really really

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really really lit and a light on one in

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light on the other went perpendicular to

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our line of sight

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well we'd seen all kinds of blimps with

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lighted signs and things and knew what

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they were and everything and so we said

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does this have are we looking at panels

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and no we both thought we were looking

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toward the inside of it you could see

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the inside and we'd seen lots of lamps

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by freeways because our farm had a

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freeway through it and glimpse for

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freeway so we were familiar with it and

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anyway so then it was going through this

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pattern of linking its lights I did you

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know I changed my mind and realized she

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was right now I was wrong and so I could

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take a perfect picture of it it was

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right there seven windows I could get it

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real clear just like you're standing in

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your yard looking at the windows and I

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mean there wasn't a fogginess and we

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weren't fogging mentally we were just

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our normal cells and we were questioning

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each other all the time you see this do

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you hear that you know it was soundless

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and so I thought I could I had

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high-speed film in the camera in the car

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camera and so I was experience taking I

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was actually you know working in

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photography

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and so I thought I would take a just a

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miracle picture of a UFO it's inside and

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then if I can take maybe one or two and

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get a background I might you know almost

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cruelly over others this and so I was

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just thrilled to pieces out of my mind

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and this truck driver stopped just about

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the time I got my camera loaded and came

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up and this thing was in sight and that

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he asked what we were doing

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well you don't take up a strange man and

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say weird things at night you know big

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like wasn't on back then and stuff that

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you knew to avoid me at night and so we

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didn't say UFO or anything we just

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pointed there was an airport there and

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like we were identifying an airplane and

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expecting him to see it and so he turned

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he just rotated around in the opposite

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direction looked up just so he was just

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exactly looking opposite to where it was

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and said I don't see anything and you

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know I mean like if he was looking at it

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and said I don't see anything that would

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be one thing but he look in the other

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direction then he rotated back around

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looked at me and I knew I was in trouble

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here and I was just dying to get this

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picture to if the thing and then yes

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again it's real sincere and we pointed

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again and he rotating around

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but the opposite direction and said I

401
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don't see anything then he rotated back

402
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and point to his head like the insane

403
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and we didn't say UFO or anything to him

404
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we were just acting normal and so you

405
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went back to his truck and watched us

406
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and I had missed a picture and

407
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apparently the object had moved it had

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just appeared someplace else while I was

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talking to him and I didn't notice that

410
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at all until I read my sister's write-up

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years and years and years later for some

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reason I guess I was concentrating on a

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film or something and so by that time it

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was farther away and I was I had high

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speed film as fraid the freeway I might

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get lens flares so it was a hill there

417
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with a tree surrounded so I ran up the

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hill the top was bald and I took

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pictures and I was used to taking

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pictures with that I could take pictures

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of time exposures of stars and planes

422
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sometimes and things he came back and it

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starts circling the airport and it was

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going through this weird circle where it

425
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would go from south to north slowly it

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would blink its lights on in two

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different places could you still see the

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windows at this point no I mean when I

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had seen the windows and then when I

430
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stopped talking to the truck driver it

431
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was so far away there was no resolution

432
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for the windows just one spot and so I

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was just taking a picture of

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just a streak I mean that's what I

435
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thought it was and so then it starts

436
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circling the airport and in the North

437
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this South half circle it would just be

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North knit with South and sky remember

439
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it went a half circle it was so fast you

440
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:01,210
couldn't believe it you can see it and

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so anyway it was a little bit north of

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us and I was just dying to get a picture

443
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you know I wanted to get that picture

444
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again and so I thought it may start

445
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going north even though didn't going

446
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south and so I was gonna turn my car

447
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around next intersection on the freeway

448
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and I got on and that truck driver that

449
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crazy insane thing just got right behind

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me

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blazed his bright lights into my mirror

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and blinded me and I couldn't see and I

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tried everything to get rid of him

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changing lanes and everything he just

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stayed there if I may just speed it up

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as fast as I could think can't get away

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from him and I couldn't so then I was

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going to go along the left-hand side of

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the road and then just connect him to an

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intersection suddenly swerve off and if

461
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they thought he wouldn't know that but

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you know if somebody was coming faster

463
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on that right-hand Lane

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we've been serious trouble and I asked

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my sister look behind she said you

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couldn't see anything and I couldn't see

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because I was blinded but anyway that's

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what they did and we survived I mean I

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said goodbye to

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do you think that that was the men in

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black or something similar that was well

472
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I was trying to stop you first I thought

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it was something normal and I don't now

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because you know if you plant something

475
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and say look there you look in that

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direction you don't look in the opposite

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direction and he repeated that twice

478
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which made me think he had something to

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do with the UFO because it was like he

480
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was telling me something or you know if

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it just been once maybe even though it's

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strange if you point look at that you

483
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don't look that way and so I think he

484
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had something to do with the UFO I don't

485
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know what any chase he took chase after

486
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you guys I mean yes like the Steven

487
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Spielberg movie the duel right yeah or

488
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that truck that was after that guy and I

489
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I know we've talked about this once

490
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before irena that the the UFO that you

491
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:05,640
saw it kind of had a resemblance to the

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UFO that Betty and Barney Hill saw

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00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:10,320
didn't have the windows Yeah right on

494
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each side yeah and that's a unusual

495
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shape for a UFO easily UFOs are flying

496
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saucer flying saucer shaped and things

497
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:24,720
like that but this had windows and most

498
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:27,570
people are familiar with the picture he

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drew of the UFO in his book and that was

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after he'd been hypnotized but just two

501
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:34,970
or three years ago

502
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Kathleen Martin published the sketch he

503
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made immediately after they saw it and

504
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that looked an awful lot like ours that

505
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even had seven windows just like we had

506
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laughs the lights on the outs

507
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that's an amazing sighting arena well

508
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I'm looking forward to hearing your

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presentation tomorrow and thank you so

510
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much for recounting your experience for

511
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us well thank you that's my pleasure and

512
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your new book is called sacred corridors

513
00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:07,490
you can get that through Amazon and yes

514
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usual uh-huh places so all right thank

515
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:16,310
you so much dr. Scott and we'll see you

516
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tomorrow when you give your presentation

517
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well thank you it's an honor to be

518
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interviewed by a top UFO investigator oh

519
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thank you so much I am talking with dr.

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Michael masters so I just caught on a

521
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wonderful panel how are you doing I'm

522
00:22:39,970 --> 00:22:37,400
doing very well thank you so have you

523
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enjoyed the the symposium so far I've

524
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enjoyed it very much

525
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:43,460
yeah it's been a lot of great speakers a

526
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:45,350
lot of great panels and events

527
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,050
activities so it's been uh it's my first

528
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:50,720
MUFON conference so I really enjoyed

529
00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:53,090
getting to know everybody and meeting

530
00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:55,220
some great people great I mean I enjoyed

531
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hearing you on the panel that you were

532
00:23:01,240 --> 00:22:59,450
just on yeah that was a fun one a lot of

533
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:01,250
great questions from the audience and

534
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,130
insightful answers from the panel and

535
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:06,080
your kind of us from the Future theory

536
00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:07,850
yeah far as a phenomena where how did

537
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:10,160
where how did you wind up arriving at

538
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:12,050
that conclusion I was actually really

539
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young and I looked up on the living room

540
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bookshelf and saw at least Reavers book

541
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communion when I did I kind of had this

542
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:23,810
this image appear in my head of a an

543
00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:26,330
early hominin chimpanzee like creature

544
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:28,820
modern human and then this alien form

545
00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:31,810
and just spent the rest of my life

546
00:23:35,409 --> 00:23:33,500
investigating whether there could be a

547
00:23:38,589 --> 00:23:35,419
phylogenetic connection and

548
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:38,599
the more I delved into it obviously

549
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:40,849
aware of my own biases in doing so but

550
00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:42,950
the more I looked into it the more I

551
00:23:49,659 --> 00:23:46,969
found that it helps explain a lot of the

552
00:23:51,789 --> 00:23:49,669
strange aspects of this phenomenon I

553
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:51,799
think it's a fascinating way of looking

554
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:53,809
at the phenomena I mean you know I mean

555
00:24:00,009 --> 00:23:56,570
honestly anybody that says it's all this

556
00:24:02,049 --> 00:24:00,019
or you know and I'm always really

557
00:24:04,239 --> 00:24:02,059
interested and now I guess Jacque Valais

558
00:24:06,849 --> 00:24:04,249
was kind of the first guy to postulated

559
00:24:09,549 --> 00:24:06,859
yes yes

560
00:24:11,109 --> 00:24:09,559
since publishing the book I've found so

561
00:24:13,989 --> 00:24:11,119
many individual I was fortunate to learn

562
00:24:15,849 --> 00:24:13,999
of Jim peniston's encounter right before

563
00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:15,859
I finished the book so I added that and

564
00:24:20,049 --> 00:24:18,259
because it's a another sort of form of

565
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:20,059
corroboration that comes from a very

566
00:24:23,859 --> 00:24:21,950
different place than my own research so

567
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:23,869
I was able to put that in but since

568
00:24:28,899 --> 00:24:26,450
publishing I've come across so many

569
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,909
other people and so many works both a

570
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,070
fiction nonfiction science what's the

571
00:24:35,259 --> 00:24:33,200
title of your new book it's identified

572
00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:35,269
flying objects a multidisciplinary

573
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:37,219
scientific approach to the UFO

574
00:24:41,829 --> 00:24:39,529
phenomenon and and as you mentioned you

575
00:24:43,659 --> 00:24:41,839
know nobody has all the answers I ended

576
00:24:45,879 --> 00:24:43,669
my talk last night by pointing that out

577
00:24:48,509 --> 00:24:45,889
but all I'm trying to do is combine

578
00:24:50,889 --> 00:24:48,519
research from physics astronomy

579
00:24:53,619 --> 00:24:50,899
anthropology and astrobiology to build a

580
00:24:55,690 --> 00:24:53,629
case around what I refer to as an

581
00:24:57,869 --> 00:24:55,700
extraterrestrial model that they are

582
00:25:00,249 --> 00:24:57,879
indeed us from the future I mean I've

583
00:25:02,619 --> 00:25:00,259
often thought I mean would we even

584
00:25:05,819 --> 00:25:02,629
recognize ourselves in the future you

585
00:25:08,589 --> 00:25:05,829
know I think there is a study done where

586
00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:08,599
they said that if people had evolved

587
00:25:12,669 --> 00:25:10,700
long enough and in zero-g environment

588
00:25:15,219 --> 00:25:12,679
that they would look an awful lot like

589
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:15,229
the greys low lights at environment

590
00:25:19,449 --> 00:25:17,450
you're gonna grow huge you know darker

591
00:25:22,419 --> 00:25:19,459
eyes have better light gathering power

592
00:25:24,819 --> 00:25:22,429
yeah even without thinking about what

593
00:25:27,069 --> 00:25:24,829
might happen between now and then just

594
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:27,079
looking at the physical changes that

595
00:25:30,489 --> 00:25:28,820
characterize hominid evolution up to

596
00:25:33,099 --> 00:25:30,499
this point and increase in brain size

597
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:33,109
eye size presumably

598
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,450
reduction in our face a

599
00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:37,039
reduction and retraction of our lower

600
00:25:40,659 --> 00:25:38,750
facial mid facial anatomy

601
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:40,669
if those continued into the future you

602
00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:43,250
would expect to get that that

603
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:45,740
quintessential alien form just as a

604
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:48,529
result of the continuation of six

605
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:50,450
million year trends in our own

606
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:52,760
evolutionary past so yeah there's

607
00:25:56,830 --> 00:25:54,110
certainly environmental factors that

608
00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:56,840
could contribute but even just looking

609
00:26:01,240 --> 00:25:59,870
at our evolutionary history forward into

610
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:01,250
the future you might expect to see

611
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:03,590
something like the gray alien or Nordic

612
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:05,720
and East with the East Asian

613
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:08,330
characteristics so wow just a

614
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:11,630
fascinating fascinating subject and and

615
00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:14,090
thank you so much dr. masters I

616
00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:16,940
appreciate you taking the time to just

617
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:18,549
speak a little bit with us and

618
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,470
absolutely yeah you know Goodspeed and

619
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:23,120
we keep on keeping on thank you

620
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,190
appreciate all right take care thank you

621
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:26,480
so much thank you

622
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:31,760
I have honor here of talking with dr.

623
00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:34,760
Linacre tonight how are you doing there

624
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:35,299
a little

625
00:26:42,909 --> 00:26:39,850
I am just superb and stellar actually

626
00:26:46,509 --> 00:26:42,919
wonderful description there's no excited

627
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,519
to finally present a youth program today

628
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:48,320
that's what you're doing that today this

629
00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:51,919
afternoon we are graphic novel

630
00:26:56,769 --> 00:26:54,139
activities coloring book for all ages

631
00:26:59,409 --> 00:26:56,779
and we're just starting to really get

632
00:27:01,690 --> 00:26:59,419
out to that the youth community who

633
00:27:03,639 --> 00:27:01,700
first for this knowledge there's nothing

634
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,649
nothing in our history books so it's

635
00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:05,360
really important that we address and

636
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,460
raise awareness of what's going on and

637
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:09,679
now they're so curious to because we're

638
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:12,440
talking about the moon-landing so much

639
00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:13,370
on TV

640
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:15,470
face force and so forth and they're

641
00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:18,170
curious and many have seen things yes

642
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:19,580
and they want to know what's going on

643
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:21,530
yeah and there really isn't anything out

644
00:27:26,530 --> 00:27:23,150
there so we want to make sure that we

645
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:26,540
fill that little gap and help them learn

646
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:28,790
and grow and decide for themselves

647
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:31,310
that's wonderful just and you know I saw

648
00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:33,380
that you were doing the the family

649
00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:36,020
oriented and youth you know directed at

650
00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:38,900
the kids a presentation I just thought

651
00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:40,460
that was just such a wonderful idea I

652
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:43,220
mean well I I have my kids are all grown

653
00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:45,620
up but I've course got the grandkids now

654
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:49,040
and just for everybody out there I just

655
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:52,850
got a copy of Lin's graphic novel for my

656
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:55,910
grandson who's gonna love it

657
00:27:59,980 --> 00:27:57,860
he's very very interested in the

658
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,990
phenomenon and and they're growing up in

659
00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:02,240
a different age and it's packed with

660
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:04,070
information I tried to really get

661
00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:05,570
something out there it's very unique

662
00:28:09,130 --> 00:28:07,430
because not only do we address the

663
00:28:14,050 --> 00:28:09,140
Phoenix lights all the adventures of su

664
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:14,060
fo observer and hue HEV hue and we have

665
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:15,650
it is the illustrator we've been doing

666
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:18,530
pilot programs and schools the kids have

667
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:20,510
given us feedback we have 80 Croft

668
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:23,960
surfers we have word finders and mazes

669
00:28:30,340 --> 00:28:26,990
and crossword puzzles and iconic

670
00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:30,350
pictures you know these kids has never

671
00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:32,540
see these and it's important for adults

672
00:28:37,630 --> 00:28:35,150
as well so everything is in one little

673
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:37,640
volume in the graphic novel it's it's

674
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:39,650
beautifully just just beautifully

675
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:42,650
produced book and you know it's like my

676
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:46,370
grandson has his first the first thing

677
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:48,530
that was UFO oriented that he ever saw

678
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,430
was you know white

679
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:53,650
who lighting the sky was you know the

680
00:28:58,740 --> 00:28:56,770
Travis Walton okay and of course which

681
00:29:00,210 --> 00:28:58,750
is really scary and that was one of the

682
00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:00,220
reasons I came forward by the way to

683
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:02,440
allay people's fears because of the

684
00:29:05,549 --> 00:29:03,640
Phoenix lights there hasn't been one

685
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:05,559
it's important for people to know not

686
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:08,290
one report credible report a farm threat

687
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:11,110
or abduction in over 22 years of

688
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:12,700
anything it was just the opposite people

689
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:15,400
are in awe and wonder curious to this

690
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,230
day I thought people telling me that

691
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,600
they felt blessed to have seen the

692
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,520
Phoenix lights phenomena and there's so

693
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:22,960
much more to the story there's so much

694
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:25,150
miss and disinformation out there one of

695
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:27,220
the set the record straight so you know

696
00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:29,080
it's like government governor

697
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:31,720
assignments and you know eventually you

698
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:33,880
know if you were originally you know

699
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,770
went after Phoenix lights and tried to

700
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:37,630
do but you know treat it like it was

701
00:29:44,299 --> 00:29:40,090
some prosaic event but even he came

702
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:44,309
forward and said that that it was a

703
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:55,370
there it's amazing there are other

704
00:29:58,340 --> 00:29:57,090
countries worldwide once you start

705
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,350
looking into this that are much more

706
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:00,320
open to these phenomenon as being

707
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,820
otherworldly not not from Earth and

708
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:07,500
there you know it's about time the

709
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,970
United States got this out the open

710
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:10,980
address and accepted and studied it so

711
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:12,540
you can find out who's driving these

712
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:14,430
things as well as move forward in our

713
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:16,650
own evolution and now you know just a

714
00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:18,030
little part of that is the Phoenix

715
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:19,830
lights book the documentary and now we

716
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,170
have the graphic novel activities

717
00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:24,000
coloring book so people can learn and

718
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:26,420
grow and decide for themselves fans guys

719
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:29,940
well thank you so much dr. kitai and and

720
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:32,370
for taking the time to talk with us

721
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:34,650
about your presentation and your new

722
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:38,340
project and I just wish you luck and

723
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:46,230
blessings thank you very much I have the

724
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:49,290
illustrious mr. Paul INEC here with me

725
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:51,690
how are you doing Paul excellent well

726
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,550
nice to be here I'm not gonna ask you

727
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:56,100
how you're enjoying the the symposium so

728
00:31:00,860 --> 00:30:58,050
far cuz I just caught you walking in the

729
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:00,870
door he just got his hotel room here

730
00:31:03,290 --> 00:31:01,290
folks

731
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:03,300
but what you're gonna be speaking

732
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:05,220
tonight what are you gonna be talking

733
00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:08,520
about in your presentation I'll be

734
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:12,390
talking about the family business for

735
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:15,990
hynek's of UFOs and growing up with that

736
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:19,260
as part of the most natural part of my

737
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:22,350
reality no I got we were lucky enough to

738
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:24,840
have you as a guest speaker for Los

739
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:27,810
Angeles MUFON about a month ago and it

740
00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:30,870
was a fabulous presentation is it you're

741
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:32,790
gonna be kind of giving the same sort of

742
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:35,730
presentation I know I mean you had some

743
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:38,130
really what I think my favorite part of

744
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:39,540
your presentation were some of your

745
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:41,190
anecdotes about you and your brother

746
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:45,480
kind of getting in trouble yeah could

747
00:31:50,499 --> 00:31:47,430
you reiterate the little the one story

748
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:50,509
about the nitroglycerin I think that

749
00:31:55,629 --> 00:31:54,049
sure so that came up in relation to the

750
00:31:57,399 --> 00:31:55,639
wonderful TV show Project Blue Book for

751
00:31:59,919 --> 00:31:57,409
which my brother and Joel and I serve as

752
00:32:02,619 --> 00:31:59,929
consultants and how there is a character

753
00:32:03,819 --> 00:32:02,629
named Joel in the TV show and how that

754
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:03,829
character really bears little

755
00:32:08,649 --> 00:32:05,809
resemblance to any of the five of us

756
00:32:12,339 --> 00:32:08,659
children to the point where the real

757
00:32:14,379 --> 00:32:12,349
Joel Hynek one day concocted

758
00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:14,389
nitroglycerin in the basement of our

759
00:32:19,449 --> 00:32:17,109
house the glycerine fell on the floor

760
00:32:21,849 --> 00:32:19,459
scooped it up with something put it back

761
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:21,859
in and it started bubbling over he

762
00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:23,690
thought was going to explode so he and

763
00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:25,190
his buddies ran out of his room in the

764
00:32:30,219 --> 00:32:28,309
basement leaving my other brother and my

765
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:30,229
mom and I blissfully unaware in the

766
00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:32,569
kitchen right above but there was a

767
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,059
potential nitroglycerin explosion about

768
00:32:39,699 --> 00:32:37,519
to happen he did to your dad run in

769
00:32:41,589 --> 00:32:39,709
there and save the day kind of is so my

770
00:32:44,649 --> 00:32:41,599
dad was off saving the damon and saved a

771
00:32:45,849 --> 00:32:44,659
good day in some far-off UFO exploit oh

772
00:32:48,729 --> 00:32:45,859
my goodness

773
00:32:51,099 --> 00:32:48,739
but what was your dad's favorite case

774
00:32:52,629 --> 00:32:51,109
that he had ever worked on I don't know

775
00:32:54,699 --> 00:32:52,639
if he had a favorite case but I know

776
00:32:58,119 --> 00:32:54,709
that he liked the Lonnie Zamora case in

777
00:33:00,639 --> 00:32:58,129
Socorro New Mexico in 1964 and I know he

778
00:33:03,219 --> 00:33:00,649
liked the Fothergill case in 1959 in

779
00:33:06,219 --> 00:33:03,229
Papua New Guinea and I bet father Gill

780
00:33:08,499 --> 00:33:06,229
and so that's my favorite case but those

781
00:33:12,669 --> 00:33:08,509
are two that stand out yeah I mean the

782
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:12,679
guilt what a wonderful case is what do

783
00:33:16,269 --> 00:33:14,569
you think that that was 80 or was it

784
00:33:17,889 --> 00:33:16,279
that us from the future they saw I mean

785
00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:17,899
there was there's like interaction

786
00:33:22,659 --> 00:33:20,509
between father Gill and in the crowd

787
00:33:24,969 --> 00:33:22,669
yeah I mean it's it's it's one thing to

788
00:33:28,659 --> 00:33:24,979
say that that's a very good case that

789
00:33:30,339 --> 00:33:28,669
seems to demonstrate based on the

790
00:33:32,409 --> 00:33:30,349
multiplicity of witnesses and the

791
00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:32,419
credibility of father Gill in particular

792
00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:35,389
that something happened as to the

793
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:39,169
provenance or source of the intelligence

794
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:42,200
of the craft or craft

795
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:44,570
yeah you got me yeah better than the

796
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,940
mayoral but it's a good one it's a good

797
00:33:51,879 --> 00:33:49,340
case what do you think your dad would

798
00:33:53,409 --> 00:33:51,889
feel about the state of Mythology today

799
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:53,419
do you think that you'd be happy with it

800
00:33:57,249 --> 00:33:54,409
or do you think you'd be disappointed

801
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:57,259
that we haven't made further more

802
00:34:02,229 --> 00:34:00,559
progress and in the field it's hard to

803
00:34:06,369 --> 00:34:02,239
say you know this is a phenomena where

804
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:06,379
there always seems to be that that next

805
00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:09,919
lab result or that next breaking case or

806
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,980
that next bit of disclosure right around

807
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:15,520
the corner and we're always just

808
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:18,169
tantalizingly close to that next big

809
00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:22,490
development so I I think maybe since

810
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:25,700
he's been gone for 30 years or so he

811
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:27,049
might come back and say what you guys

812
00:34:33,099 --> 00:34:29,510
still haven't fixed it yet I don't know

813
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:33,109
yeah I you know I guess you do it you

814
00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:34,970
would probably have dichotomous feelings

815
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,859
about it but of course you know it's

816
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:38,960
like with the eight stuff and the the

817
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,389
nimitz yeah release of information I

818
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,040
always think that your dad would

819
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,960
probably be really very very happy about

820
00:34:49,319 --> 00:34:46,399
yeah I mean they're sort of an

821
00:34:52,059 --> 00:34:49,329
increasing tenor and seriousness of

822
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:52,069
government three disclosures perhaps

823
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:54,260
mm-hmm they're happening now and one of

824
00:34:59,770 --> 00:34:56,270
things I think about is even if we had

825
00:35:02,980 --> 00:34:59,780
the sort of signal event of a UFO saucer

826
00:35:05,859 --> 00:35:02,990
landing on the White House lawn in this

827
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:05,869
day of fake news and deep fake videos

828
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,260
that might not be enough you know you

829
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:11,270
might have a significant percentage of

830
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:12,980
the population who won't believe

831
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:21,730
and you've got area 51 chock-full of

832
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:25,010
alien bodies and multi-pronged efforts

833
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,650
to reverse-engineer various alien

834
00:35:31,819 --> 00:35:29,940
technology propulsion systems

835
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,829
and and you know the secrets going to

836
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:33,599
get out and you have to dispose it as

837
00:35:41,029 --> 00:35:37,880
Richard Dolan have with with claims then

838
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:41,039
you now have to contend with maybe

839
00:35:44,839 --> 00:35:42,660
whatever you do won't be good enough

840
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:44,849
which is something that we really didn't

841
00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:46,890
have to think of even 10 years ago maybe

842
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:48,750
that's why this information is being

843
00:35:53,059 --> 00:35:51,660
allowed out right now you know I mean

844
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,069
that may have something to do with it

845
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:56,730
sure you are you consider yourself a

846
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,099
futurist I know you're a fan of reycarts

847
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:02,280
while right work what when do you think

848
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:03,930
the singularity is going to happen and

849
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:05,880
what do you think it's going to entail

850
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,170
do you think we're gonna become our

851
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,780
machines or computers or do you think

852
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:11,339
it's going to have a positive effect on

853
00:36:18,799 --> 00:36:13,950
humanity in the long run it'll happen

854
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:18,809
early early too to mid-morning on May

855
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,369
10th 2046 that's the best time range I

856
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,200
can give you I do believe it will happen

857
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,359
I do believe that the singularity

858
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:30,720
meaning the astrophysics term borrowed

859
00:36:34,339 --> 00:36:32,730
to artificial intelligence to mean the

860
00:36:36,289 --> 00:36:34,349
point in which artificial intelligence

861
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:36,299
becomes self-aware and recursively

862
00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:38,430
self-improving I do think it will happen

863
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:39,869
I don't think it'd be an

864
00:36:44,059 --> 00:36:41,700
extinction-level event as we see in

865
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:44,069
these rather dystopian visions like the

866
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,250
matrix and terminator etc I do believe

867
00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:50,480
will merge with artificial intelligence

868
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,119
the neural lace networks that Elon Musk

869
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:56,400
and others working on now are a big step

870
00:36:59,539 --> 00:36:58,170
in that direction where will instead of

871
00:37:02,059 --> 00:36:59,549
having independence like you're holding

872
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,069
the phone in your hand now we'll have

873
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:04,380
these things built into us you know we

874
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,119
have pacemakers and other things that we

875
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:08,520
haven't or thought that sort of

876
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,700
surrender part of our humanity but a

877
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,500
neural lace that can access the internet

878
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,660
for which it goes right into your optic

879
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,240
nerve that's sort of plugging in and

880
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:20,099
then when we get to the point where

881
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,690
allah robert fry toss with respira sites

882
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:26,400
where we replace the human heart which

883
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,960
is one of the big failure points of the

884
00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:30,560
body with self-propelled

885
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:33,350
synthetic red blood cells that deliver

886
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:36,170
oxygen far more efficiently than our

887
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:37,730
current red blood cells and to a

888
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,340
multiplicity of other things on route in

889
00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:42,320
terms of diagnosis diagnosis and

890
00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:46,340
breaking up plaque etc they a lot of

891
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:48,440
people will think that that is sort of

892
00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:51,890
the the point of no-return about giving

893
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:54,260
up humanity because firstly in Western

894
00:37:58,660 --> 00:37:56,660
culture we sort of equate the the soul

895
00:38:01,660 --> 00:37:58,670
with the heart Nia

896
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:01,670
well maybe we've all encountered too

897
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:04,130
many you know the old Frankenstein meme

898
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,370
and and maybe it's been bantered around

899
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:08,960
enough yeah what do you think of you

900
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:11,150
know the disabled people that could be

901
00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:13,790
you know you could walk or blind that

902
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:16,940
could see and death that could here I

903
00:38:22,330 --> 00:38:20,270
mean those are all very real and in

904
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:22,340
close proximity to us I mean that this

905
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,930
is going to happen and it's gonna happen

906
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:26,960
within our lifetimes I believe

907
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:30,680
maybe sooner than we think so well thank

908
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:33,170
you so much Paul I appreciate you

909
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,690
talking with us it was a pleasure to

910
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:38,240
honor and good luck tonight I'll be

911
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:41,090
there and please talk to Ryan about the

912
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agreed upon payment yes the shirt I'm

913
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:47,440
working for the same to say the same

914
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:50,390
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915
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916
00:39:05,680 --> 00:38:57,590
little bit pleasure thank you very much

917
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:05,690
sure they've been seen all over our

918
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:07,790
planet somewhere in the skies I'm

919
00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:11,360
talking about flying saucers hey guys

920
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940
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941
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:20,840
I'm honored to be with Kathleen Mardan

942
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:23,100
how are you doing Kathleen I'm doing

943
00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:26,250
well it's busy here we have a good crowd

944
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:31,350
this year you're always busy sometimes

945
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:34,050
too busy yes we did we did an

946
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:36,690
experiencer workshop this morning I

947
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:38,730
thought it was really a very wonderful

948
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:43,800
wonderful crowd and it's just yeah I

949
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:46,950
mean obviously this is the main and gist

950
00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:49,740
of or at least what your best well known

951
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,580
for but what are you looking forward to

952
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:55,560
with tomorrow tomorrow you've got a

953
00:41:00,920 --> 00:40:57,270
different today it was just pretty much

954
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:00,930
talking about the the abduction and

955
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:04,320
experience or phenomena itself but

956
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:07,260
tomorrow you have a special topic and

957
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,120
let me say more than that it gave

958
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:13,740
experiencers who wanted to the

959
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:17,400
opportunity to speak and have a

960
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,070
supportive audience behind them which is

961
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,040
very very helpful in therapeutic now

962
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:26,040
tomorrow it's going to be a little bit

963
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:29,070
different it's going to be a workshop on

964
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:32,430
suggestions on what to do if you want

965
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:36,990
contact to end what what just like a

966
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:43,640
I actually I mean it's a rhetorical

967
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:45,630
question for me because I actually work

968
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:50,100
with Kathleen here but what are some of

969
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:51,900
the methods that you use when somebody

970
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:55,680
wants a lien contact to end well first

971
00:41:59,350 --> 00:41:57,000
of all I have to say that I can't

972
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,360
guarantee that this is going to happen

973
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:02,960
in my new book

974
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,090
extraterrestrial contact what to do when

975
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:07,440
you've been abducted

976
00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:09,870
there is one chapter that is entirely

977
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:13,080
devoted to that topic there's so much

978
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:15,750
information in every chapter that it's

979
00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:19,650
like difficult for me just to city or

980
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,840
and list different things but one of the

981
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:24,960
very very easy things that you can try

982
00:42:33,860 --> 00:42:29,940
is if you believe in a higher power you

983
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,870
can call out to that higher power if if

984
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:36,300
you don't you can call out to the

985
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:39,840
highest intelligence and say in the name

986
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:42,810
of the highest intelligence I command

987
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:46,200
you to leave this room now

988
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:49,770
or leave wherever wherever you are I

989
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:54,240
have actually had a recent discussion

990
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:57,960
with a couple who were outside at night

991
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:00,980
I said just sitting together in the

992
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,490
mountains and this craft came down and

993
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:07,920
they sense that something was about to

994
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:12,240
happen and he said do not take me I have

995
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:13,650
children

996
00:43:21,049 --> 00:43:19,140
and the craft actually went away that's

997
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:21,059
that's really interesting because you

998
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,529
know I mean I'm always kind of under the

999
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,359
impression that if they want you they're

1000
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:26,460
gonna get you but that isn't always the

1001
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,940
case that isn't he had to to go home you

1002
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:32,099
know he he couldn't take a couple of

1003
00:43:39,289 --> 00:43:35,130
hours to spend with them he had children

1004
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:39,299
in bed and they were just out for a walk

1005
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,990
and so they listened you know it's

1006
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,579
interesting the Kathy you know I

1007
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:46,680
recently had a case where there was a

1008
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,079
similar scenario where this gentleman

1009
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:51,420
was kind of given this cosmic tour he

1010
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,359
said and but he had a little free

1011
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,460
year-old daughter of home and he told

1012
00:44:00,259 --> 00:43:58,380
his entity he said stop it

1013
00:44:02,839 --> 00:44:00,269
I have to go back and take care of my

1014
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,849
child I can't be away from her and he

1015
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,680
said that he was returned he was

1016
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,839
returned home so you know apparently

1017
00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:08,880
there definitely is something to this

1018
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,150
and and there you go and they can be

1019
00:44:18,799 --> 00:44:15,119
compassionate they can listen it isn't

1020
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:18,809
all abduction it's all about us yeah

1021
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:23,220
they many of them are also compassionate

1022
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,410
and will listen to the humans that

1023
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:27,839
they're working with yes I absolutely

1024
00:44:34,279 --> 00:44:31,859
agree well Kathy I mean I'm just always

1025
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:34,289
so proud to work with you and thank you

1026
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,470
to have you as my friend so happy to

1027
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,079
have you on one roof ons experience or

1028
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:43,140
research - it's great my joy in my

1029
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:45,450
and thank you for giving us this

1030
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:48,570
interview for somewhere in the skies my

1031
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,450
pleasure I'm really honored to have with

1032
00:45:00,830 --> 00:44:57,420
me here both Denise stoner and dr.

1033
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:00,840
George medic from EMU fons experiencer

1034
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,800
research team I I work with these guys

1035
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:07,680
and I know them really well so it's kind

1036
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,020
of interesting doing the interview here

1037
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:12,660
but it's just two of the most

1038
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:14,430
interesting people that I know on the

1039
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:17,550
planet so hello there George and hello

1040
00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:20,850
there Denise the world hello

1041
00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:23,790
so how are you guys how's the the

1042
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:26,550
symposium been for you so far we had our

1043
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,350
experience or workshop this morning

1044
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:30,780
which was really wonderful

1045
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:33,450
and honored to be part of its actually

1046
00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:35,820
those are always a good introduction to

1047
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:38,340
the conference because you know we can

1048
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:40,590
get experiencers in a closed environment

1049
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:42,630
and they can kind of let their hair down

1050
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:44,250
and talk about the things that are

1051
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,440
bothering them but people that are

1052
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:48,690
interested in you know in their problems

1053
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,510
and what they've experienced so it's

1054
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,640
it's kind of a good way to set up the

1055
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:55,560
conference for us because that's that's

1056
00:46:00,800 --> 00:45:58,770
our main focus we deal with the people

1057
00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:00,810
who have dealt with non-human entities

1058
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:04,590
and to get that concentration in one

1059
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:07,220
area makes it a lot easier to deal with

1060
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,500
and once they see us face to face and

1061
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,960
they're made comfortable in that room

1062
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:15,300
environment and realize that it's okay

1063
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,090
to speak up and once they see the

1064
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,700
statistics that are given and how many

1065
00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:22,200
of them there aren't and the

1066
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:25,620
commonalities between all of them that

1067
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:29,550
they're ready to talk to us yes dr.

1068
00:46:34,220 --> 00:46:31,800
George how did you get into this how did

1069
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,230
you become interested well nominally I

1070
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:37,200
also when I retired from medicine I I

1071
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:39,510
was you know I was always intellectually

1072
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:41,850
curious so I went back to my next love

1073
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:45,630
which was astronomy and I kind of

1074
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:47,910
stumbled across a MUFON on the internet

1075
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,760
actually and I looked and saw what they

1076
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:52,020
did and I said you know I've always been

1077
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,150
interested in UFOs because I always

1078
00:47:00,350 --> 00:46:57,060
thought there was something to it so I

1079
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:00,360
signed up and went to a meeting ran into

1080
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:02,040
John venturi who was a state director of

1081
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:04,380
Pennsylvania at the time and signed up

1082
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:07,770
and he actually put me on to Kathy

1083
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,340
Martin about the ERT and I was wasn't

1084
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,200
really interested in the vehicles but

1085
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:14,880
more interested in who was driving them

1086
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:15,870
mmm

1087
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:19,440
you know you know lights in the sky to

1088
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:22,890
me gets boring pretty quick but you know

1089
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:24,210
what I'm talking to somebody who's

1090
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:27,990
actually been face to face with with a

1091
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:30,390
being that's not from our planet it

1092
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:32,670
really gets interesting for me that

1093
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,620
that's that's where the rubber hits the

1094
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,020
road for me yeah I mean it's you know

1095
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:39,180
the difference between hot rods and the

1096
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:41,370
guys that drive the hot rods you know I

1097
00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:44,280
mean there's a life story there where as

1098
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:47,340
a vehicle as a vehicle it means to get

1099
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:49,790
so well you know we've known about UFOs

1100
00:47:53,499 --> 00:47:51,109
you know

1101
00:47:56,289 --> 00:47:53,509
who knows how long and we really haven't

1102
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:56,299
made any progress in figuring out where

1103
00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:57,710
they come from or what they're doing

1104
00:48:00,609 --> 00:47:58,099
here

1105
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:00,619
I figure the next step is to maybe talk

1106
00:48:04,779 --> 00:48:02,109
to the people that are running them

1107
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:04,789
maybe they can enlighten us a little bit

1108
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:08,230
but there's probably a you know multi

1109
00:48:12,009 --> 00:48:10,609
multifactorial reason why the different

1110
00:48:14,259 --> 00:48:12,019
species are coming here they probably

1111
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,269
all have their own reason for being here

1112
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:17,119
but it sure like to know what it is yeah

1113
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:21,920
yeah Denise I guess do you think that

1114
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,670
this is an extraterrestrial phenomena or

1115
00:48:31,299 --> 00:48:28,960
a hyperdimensional or us from the future

1116
00:48:33,549 --> 00:48:31,309
what's your feeling sometimes I'm not

1117
00:48:36,339 --> 00:48:33,559
sure where they're from but I'm an

1118
00:48:39,069 --> 00:48:36,349
experience or myself and I think it's

1119
00:48:41,979 --> 00:48:39,079
our turn to ask them questions because

1120
00:48:44,529 --> 00:48:41,989
it appears we're not able to so far they

1121
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,539
send us messages they tell us what we're

1122
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,880
going to do and what what's expected of

1123
00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:49,190
us when we're on a craft I've seen a

1124
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:51,739
craft I've seen several and been in the

1125
00:48:57,249 --> 00:48:54,710
interior of them and taken on a tour but

1126
00:49:00,789 --> 00:48:57,259
I had so many questions and have no

1127
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:00,799
answers to give back so I need to know

1128
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:04,190
as everybody else does you you have an

1129
00:49:08,259 --> 00:49:06,200
extraordinary experience with it

1130
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:08,269
involved I believe it was three hours of

1131
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:10,730
missing time at three hours of missing

1132
00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:12,980
time and my husband was with us my

1133
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:15,339
parents were waiting on the other end of

1134
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:18,619
the Mountain cast we were waiting to get

1135
00:49:26,019 --> 00:49:22,609
across to our campsite there was a flat

1136
00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:26,029
area called South Park Colorado somehow

1137
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:28,279
we were take them across that expanse

1138
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:30,710
without any mileage showing on our car

1139
00:49:35,999 --> 00:49:33,650
we started out in daylight ended up in

1140
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:36,009
the darkness didn't know where we were

1141
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,319
it was quite frightening we did see the

1142
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,839
lights of the craft we did see the craft

1143
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,720
coming down to get us it felt the car

1144
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:46,720
moving across the high desert

1145
00:49:55,779 --> 00:49:52,160
we had the speed of the car going normal

1146
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:55,789
coming down off the pass and my husband

1147
00:50:02,620 --> 00:49:59,180
had the mileage supposedly working on

1148
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:02,630
the car nothing showed it was as if we

1149
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:05,480
were not paying attention ended up on

1150
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:09,290
the other side of the mountains and

1151
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:11,900
didn't know where we were first the

1152
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:14,600
odometer didn't reflect the odometer did

1153
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:17,360
not reflect anything and my parents are

1154
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:19,660
getting worried there was only one road

1155
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:24,110
leading to where we intended to go so we

1156
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:27,170
weren't lost Wow

1157
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:30,110
where do you guys see the experience of

1158
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:32,270
research team going in the future what

1159
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:34,700
woods are what's our prime directive for

1160
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:37,580
our main goal well our main goal is to

1161
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:40,010
help people that have encountered

1162
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:42,290
problems with their experience that

1163
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:45,260
that's what we do we try to help people

1164
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:47,150
come to grips with what's happened to

1165
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:49,970
them where that's going to take us I

1166
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:53,480
really don't know you know we're just

1167
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:55,810
here for people who are looking for help

1168
00:51:02,050 --> 00:50:57,770
something you can't find in the Yellow

1169
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:02,060
Pages you know you can't find the ERT in

1170
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:04,850
the Yellow Pages so we're here and if

1171
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:07,820
somebody has a problem dealing with

1172
00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:09,890
non-human entities or experiences like

1173
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:10,580
that

1174
00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:12,410
the MUFON they are to use the place to

1175
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:15,470
go and how does one contact to the MUFON

1176
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:18,770
ERT rhetorical on a website

1177
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:23,270
the MUFON website under experience or

1178
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:25,730
research team and we have a whole a

1179
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:28,910
whole bunch of information on how to do

1180
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:32,450
it we have a form that people can fill

1181
00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:34,910
out which eventually wakes makes its way

1182
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:37,640
to me and then I distribute them

1183
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:39,770
distribute that form to the members of

1184
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,230
the of the ERT you know you get them as

1185
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:46,640
I was saying it was a rhetorical

1186
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:47,500
question

1187
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:50,360
dr. Bennett sure you had a past added

1188
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:52,490
pro-baseball by the way didn't you I

1189
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:54,140
played major league baseball for a

1190
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:55,850
little over ten years

1191
00:52:02,880 --> 00:51:58,880
seems like a long time ago back when we

1192
00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:02,890
didn't have pitch counts I've seen

1193
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:05,600
photographic evidence it's a pretty good

1194
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:07,940
photo we saw of dr. George and our last

1195
00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:11,390
zoom meeting yeah we need some evidence

1196
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:16,820
of this no well thank you so much I'm

1197
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:19,070
honored that you guys sat down with me

1198
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:21,080
and I'm always honored to work with you

1199
00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:23,170
guys to be part of this wonderful

1200
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:27,790
extraordinary team it just it certainly

1201
00:52:34,210 --> 00:52:32,000
changed my life and I love it I love it

1202
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:34,220
so well we're glad you joined up with uh

1203
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:38,210
Cyril Thank You doc Thank You Denise

1204
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:43,250
I am honored to be talking with Tom

1205
00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:46,430
Whitmore who is on the board of MUFON

1206
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:48,560
and his field investigator from the

1207
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:52,160
beautiful great Texas State of the Union

1208
00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:55,250
how are you doing there Tom just fine

1209
00:52:59,650 --> 00:52:56,780
are all and I've really been enjoying

1210
00:53:01,900 --> 00:52:59,660
this symposium and it's great to be here

1211
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:01,910
in Southern California where it's close

1212
00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:03,860
to the Pacific coast and things are nice

1213
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:05,420
and cool compared to what they're like

1214
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:08,390
in Texas it's not a year oh yes I've

1215
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:11,630
been here many times I we come here for

1216
00:53:16,810 --> 00:53:14,510
symposiums I come here for board

1217
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:16,820
meetings from time to time right here in

1218
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:19,970
Irvine California so I enjoy it very

1219
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:20,470
much

1220
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:22,610
what all do you do as a board member

1221
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:26,510
member for roof on just well the board

1222
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,120
is really referred to as a business

1223
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:32,480
board so we're concerned with some of

1224
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:35,960
the more on mundane aspects of the

1225
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:38,690
organization of MUFON we don't talk

1226
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:41,090
about UFOs and board meetings very much

1227
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:43,460
where we're concerned with things like

1228
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:46,990
budgets long-term planning insurance

1229
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:50,450
possible contracts you know with media

1230
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:53,810
companies etc etc so there it's all

1231
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:55,850
business it's mostly all business

1232
00:53:58,830 --> 00:53:57,710
related keeping the wheels on the bus

1233
00:54:04,680 --> 00:53:58,840
yeah

1234
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:04,690
and I'm proud that the Board of

1235
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:07,090
Directors from MUFON has been fairly

1236
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:09,310
stable over the over the recent years

1237
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:12,610
and I and MUFON has been around for 50

1238
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:14,590
years and and we're proud of that of our

1239
00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:17,800
longevity and I see part of a part of my

1240
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:19,960
function a large part of my function as

1241
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:22,210
being a director as as ensuring the

1242
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:24,990
long-term viability of the organization

1243
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:26,230
fantastic

1244
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:28,570
I mean MUFON has a long storied history

1245
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:30,610
and and that you know that always

1246
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:34,000
touches me I love the fact that I belong

1247
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:36,190
to this organization that's been around

1248
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:40,270
such a long long time and and you know

1249
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,510
there's just there there there aren't

1250
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:46,240
really any other organizations like roof

1251
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:47,360
on

1252
00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:49,610
you know used to have an egg throw and

1253
00:54:56,430 --> 00:54:52,190
this and that and the other thing I cap

1254
00:54:59,560 --> 00:54:56,440
but we find it's kind of you know and

1255
00:55:03,280 --> 00:54:59,570
well what do you think kind of sets

1256
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:03,290
MUFON apart from from everything else

1257
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:06,650
for you anyway well I think one of our

1258
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:08,780
virtues URLs that we try to steer a

1259
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:12,200
middle course we don't take extreme

1260
00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:15,290
positions one way or the other there are

1261
00:55:21,250 --> 00:55:17,780
very conservative scientifically orient

1262
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:21,260
oriented like people and move on there

1263
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:23,330
are also people and move on that have a

1264
00:55:29,350 --> 00:55:25,790
more spiritual more non-material

1265
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:29,360
orientation toward the UFO phenomenon we

1266
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:34,940
try to steer a middle course and we not

1267
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:39,140
only a project what's going on in the

1268
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:41,210
UFO field by our actions as field

1269
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:43,910
investigators and compiling a database

1270
00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:45,950
and so on and so forth but we also

1271
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,740
reflect what's going on in the UFO field

1272
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:51,440
and sometimes people are happy with what

1273
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:53,330
we reflect and some people some people

1274
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:55,070
aren't happy with everything that we

1275
00:56:01,150 --> 00:55:57,410
reflect but it's really a reflection of

1276
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:01,160
the totality of the UFO scene now MUFON

1277
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:04,430
basically does three things we run a

1278
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,530
network of field investigators we

1279
00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:08,480
collect sighting reports and those

1280
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:10,820
reports go into a database that's the

1281
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:13,010
first main thing that we do second is

1282
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:15,890
that we produce a monthly journal and

1283
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:17,630
thirdly we put on these annual

1284
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:20,800
symposiums so that alone keeps us busy

1285
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:25,330
yeah and I know you guys are busy Jan I

1286
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:28,790
I've hung out in the office and Linda

1287
00:56:32,830 --> 00:56:30,650
Fletcher is one of my field

1288
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:32,840
investigators and she's works in the

1289
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:34,490
office you know she said he pretty much

1290
00:56:40,359 --> 00:56:36,680
works 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.

1291
00:56:42,099 --> 00:56:40,369
as usual hours and you know you know Jan

1292
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:42,109
I think the biggest cuss word you'll say

1293
00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:44,510
is D'Arnot or golly sometimes you know

1294
00:56:50,109 --> 00:56:47,480
he's I'd like to think of him as Richie

1295
00:56:52,089 --> 00:56:50,119
Cunningham all grown up yet with with

1296
00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:52,099
with a higher intellect of course you

1297
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:54,800
know very high intellect but well that's

1298
00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:57,290
that's fantastic and fascinating Tama

1299
00:57:00,819 --> 00:56:59,240
and and you you're still working

1300
00:57:04,059 --> 00:57:00,829
currently as an active field

1301
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:04,069
investigator no no I haven't for a long

1302
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:07,730
time but I you know I put my efforts

1303
00:57:12,339 --> 00:57:09,800
into being a board member and personally

1304
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:12,349
my personal interest in the UFO field is

1305
00:57:17,380 --> 00:57:14,569
more government related I'm fascinated

1306
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:17,390
by the interaction between the

1307
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,950
government and the UFO field that

1308
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,680
occurred during the 1980s which ignited

1309
00:57:27,309 --> 00:57:24,319
the mj-12 affair and I'm very interested

1310
00:57:29,859 --> 00:57:27,319
in the history of the mj-12 affair at

1311
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:29,869
this point I'm 66 years old and I've

1312
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:32,480
retired from full-time employment and

1313
00:57:36,819 --> 00:57:34,010
I'm getting ready to move to Washington

1314
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:36,829
DC so that I can do further research in

1315
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,900
this area and I'm I'm gonna go visit the

1316
00:57:45,069 --> 00:57:40,880
National Archives every day and work

1317
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:45,079
9:00 to 5:00 there on my own so you you

1318
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:48,230
like do like heavy FOIA requests and

1319
00:57:53,770 --> 00:57:50,930
stuff is that kind of your I would say I

1320
00:57:55,299 --> 00:57:53,780
haven't yet my approach is gonna be more

1321
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:55,309
directly and working in the National

1322
00:58:01,180 --> 00:57:57,710
Archives pulling documents out of the

1323
00:58:03,370 --> 00:58:01,190
archives and studying those and also you

1324
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,380
know in Washington DC you have Library

1325
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:06,079
of Congress and it's a hot it's a hot

1326
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:08,540
bed it's of an opportunity to develop

1327
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:11,630
contacts as well fantastic

1328
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:14,930
you're also a musician I heard and and a

1329
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:15,890
quite good one

1330
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:19,369
well I yeah I'm a guitarist on and I

1331
00:58:24,130 --> 00:58:21,290
like I said well you and I are exactly

1332
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:24,140
the same generation we I think we both

1333
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:25,640
grew up listening at a lot of the same

1334
00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:29,930
music yeah yes

1335
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,859
yeah and although all the weighty toidy

1336
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:35,839
guys you know yeah yeah and I started

1337
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:38,900
playing guitar when I was 14 right now I

1338
00:58:43,809 --> 00:58:41,450
play mostly classical guitar you know I

1339
00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:43,819
call it kind of a pseudo classical style

1340
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:46,390
he has certain elements of folk certain

1341
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,490
contemporary elements in the music

1342
00:58:53,620 --> 00:58:51,440
it's original I have at least a half an

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hour of original music that that I want

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00:58:57,930 --> 00:58:56,090
to record in a professional studio and

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00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:57,940
then I'll send it to all my friends

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00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:01,430
fantastic well Tom thank you so much for

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00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:03,650
doing a little sit-down with me and and

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00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,960
it was just fascinating to hear about

1349
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:08,960
your work and and thank you again okay

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:09,650
thank you Earl

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00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:12,530
alright and thanks for having me on it's

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00:59:16,660 --> 00:59:14,600
my pleasure I love somewhere in the

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00:59:18,540 --> 00:59:16,670
skies what I'm honestly one of my

1354
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:18,550
favorite favorite podcasts so I'm

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00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:20,930
thrilled to be doing this I'm used to

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:22,550
being on the you know answering

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00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:25,610
questions usually rather than asking so

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:28,040
it's an honor that Ryan asked me to do

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00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:31,610
this there you go thanks a lot tom okay

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00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,830
I have mr. paul davids who's about to

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00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:38,960
give he's gonna be giving his

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00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:41,900
presentation in just a little while how

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00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:43,430
are you doing there Paul I'm really

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:45,400
enjoying the conference immensely

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00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:47,450
fantastic could you give you a little

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:49,369
synopsis of what you're going to be

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:52,610
talking about well you know I've spent

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my career in Hollywood started on the

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01:00:01,620 --> 00:59:58,760
transformers show the cartoons wrote a

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01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:01,630
lot of the Star Wars sequel books and

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01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:05,030
best known in the UFO world for being

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01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:07,630
executive producer of Showtime's Roswell

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01:00:12,849 --> 01:00:10,460
also known as Roswell the UFO cover-up

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01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:12,859
the famous film with Kyle MacLachlan and

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01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,260
Martin Sheen so from the standpoint of

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01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:19,280
those of us have been in the film

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01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:21,470
business and have seen the explosion of

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01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,470
interest in science fiction aliens

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01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:27,440
flying saucers dominating some of the

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01:00:33,490 --> 01:00:29,810
most successful movies ever made I've

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01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:33,500
gone back in time to look at what were

1382
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:38,470
the orange ins of these ideas about

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01:00:45,849 --> 01:00:41,750
aliens and flying saucers finding their

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01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:45,859
way into popular culture so MUFON is

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01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:49,990
promoting the scientific study of UFOs

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01:00:56,109 --> 01:00:53,390
evidence for aliens and I think

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:56,119
sociology comes in the field of science

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:00:59,090
mine is a sociological talk so I'm I'm

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:00,450
talking about

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01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:03,330
how did it come about that from a

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01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:05,220
culture that had never heard of flying

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01:01:12,590 --> 01:01:09,150
saucers that we have massive interest

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01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,600
today such that a movie on this theme

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01:01:16,790 --> 01:01:14,640
can make billions of dollars worldwide

1395
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:16,800
how did it happen everybody knows about

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01:01:21,470 --> 01:01:19,950
it now and it happened gradually and it

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01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:21,480
happened through movies and television

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01:01:27,260 --> 01:01:24,030
and magazines and comic books and even

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01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:27,270
pinball machines and people often don't

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01:01:31,610 --> 01:01:28,500
think about the fact that happened

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01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:31,620
through songs and music how many songs

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01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:33,960
can you name about flying saucers

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:35,690
because I can tell you there have been

1404
01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:40,050
50 popular songs about flying saucers

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01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:42,630
have you ever heard Jimmy Durante sing

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01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,380
let's go you f Ellen I haven't heard it

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01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:48,000
I don't think I've heard that well okay

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01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:49,800
what about the rollicking men from Mars

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01:01:54,860 --> 01:01:52,710
I think I have heard that will Merv

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01:01:57,350 --> 01:01:54,870
Griffin singing the screaming meanies

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01:02:00,320 --> 01:01:57,360
from Planet X I don't think I've heard

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:00,330
that okay and what about the one about

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01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:03,090
the the astronaut who lands on the moon

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01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:06,420
and finds 30-foot tall women and the

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01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:08,550
name of the song is take me to your

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01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:13,020
ladder I'll meet your leader later cuz

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01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:14,580
he can't talk to the moon women unless

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01:02:19,340 --> 01:02:17,070
he's got a ladder it even came out in

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01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:19,350
Italian of course we've all heard of the

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01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,080
purple people eater yeah but you know

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01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:24,000
with all the movie threat of on all the

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01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:26,010
songs about the little space girl and

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01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:28,580
the little space girl's father and the

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01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:30,750
Santa Claus meets the purple people

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:35,070
eater and so there's that that tradition

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:38,130
but above all the tradition of science

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01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:39,690
fiction and I look

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01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:43,440
at some of the early movies going into

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:46,200
the 1950s and show how the themes in

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01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:50,130
those movies echoed all the major themes

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01:02:54,339 --> 01:02:52,440
of ufology that we concentrate on today

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:54,349
and that would include missing time

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01:03:03,260 --> 01:02:59,730
underground bases alien implants genetic

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:03,270
experiments all of these different

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01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:06,690
themes that keep recurring were present

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01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:08,329
in the movies as though we were being

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01:03:14,109 --> 01:03:10,500
inculcated do you think that was

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01:03:17,450 --> 01:03:14,119
purposeful I think that some of it was

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01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,460
purposeful I won't say all because some

1440
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:20,880
of it was done as exploitation because

1441
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:23,450
they could see that that there was a

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01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:27,660
market for it but I did know a Robert

1443
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:31,319
Wise the great director of Andromeda

1444
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:33,390
Strain and above all the Day the Earth

1445
01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:37,380
Stood Still and that was 1951 and he

1446
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:39,780
confided in me that in making that movie

1447
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:42,030
there were people who came from

1448
01:03:46,819 --> 01:03:44,730
Washington who had security clearances

1449
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:46,829
and who had reason to know who said Bob

1450
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:50,010
wise you don't know how close to reality

1451
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:53,640
your movie is Wow that's probably my

1452
01:03:58,220 --> 01:03:55,710
favorite favorite film on the subject

1453
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,230
2001 and the Day the Earth Stood Still

1454
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:00,720
those two well that that one the day

1455
01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:04,079
there Stood Still 1951 same year as the

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01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:06,150
Howard Hawks movie the thing from

1457
01:04:10,819 --> 01:04:08,910
another world which was like the story

1458
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,829
of Roswell transported to the Arctic

1459
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:13,260
crashed flying saucer but it's under ice

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01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,359
horrifying yeah yeah it was but I my

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01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:20,880
talk concentrates on the years in 1951

1462
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:24,480
up to 1977 to show the development in

1463
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:27,990
that time period why 1977 well not only

1464
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:30,390
did you have star wars come out for the

1465
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:32,010
first time that year we've had Close

1466
01:04:37,819 --> 01:04:34,170
Encounters of the Third Kind

1467
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:37,829
you had a Voyager spacecraft with the

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01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,700
plaque and the the disc about human

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01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:43,740
civilization being sent out into space

1470
01:04:51,529 --> 01:04:47,430
for aliens to find we were sending porn

1471
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:51,539
out to the I guess where they come in

1472
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:53,849
probe us I guess is the eyes of the

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01:05:00,559 --> 01:04:57,119
beholder he said we also in 1977 had the

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01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:00,569
Karen Carpenter song a wonderful calling

1475
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:04,049
occupants from interplanetary craft who

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01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:06,599
do you know the the original band that

1477
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:08,460
did that the name of them don't do you

1478
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:10,230
know about to collapse

1479
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:11,880
oh they cover some buttock they were

1480
01:05:15,769 --> 01:05:15,299
named after of course the earth state

1481
01:05:17,779 --> 01:05:15,779
yes

1482
01:05:19,759 --> 01:05:17,789
Klaatu was the space man who came with

1483
01:05:24,049 --> 01:05:19,769
the message of warning for mankind and

1484
01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:24,059
Gort was his enforcer robot yeah yeah so

1485
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:27,630
the thing that had to be said to Gort to

1486
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:30,049
call off his destructive powers was

1487
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,579
Klaatu Barada and Nick - how's that for

1488
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:37,440
a good ending point for our conversation

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01:05:41,660 --> 01:05:39,390
I love it I love it well I can't wait to

1490
01:05:43,279 --> 01:05:41,670
hear your I'm definitely gonna be there

1491
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:43,289
in the audience can't wait to hear your

1492
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,170
presentation that is paul davids also I

1493
01:05:51,289 --> 01:05:48,960
have to mention I gave one of my very

1494
01:05:52,819 --> 01:05:51,299
best friends her first acting job I'm a

1495
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,829
good friend of Denise Marceau

1496
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:55,920
isn't that wonderful yes she in the

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01:06:00,620 --> 01:05:59,039
movie about her father roswell yeah let

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01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:00,630
me just also mention to your listeners

1499
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:03,269
i've produced and directed probably

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01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:05,940
around ten movies they may not know all

1501
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:08,099
the titles but they should go looking

1502
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:11,970
for jesus in india the life after death

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01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:15,920
project Marilyn Monroe Declassified

1504
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:18,700
Timothy Leary's dead

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01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:22,540
before we say goodbye

1506
01:06:28,220 --> 01:06:25,750
the artist and the shaman the sci-fi

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01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:28,230
boys it goes on and on

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01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:31,240
fantastic well thank you very very much

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01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:35,320
Paul and thank you for taking time to to

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01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:37,750
talk a little bit to somewhere in this

1511
01:06:44,340 --> 01:06:38,560
governess

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01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,350
thank you that's it for this week's

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01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,480
episode again my special thanks to Earl

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01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,400
Grey Anderson for making this episode

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01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:51,520
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